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Comment by oluwamary

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According to my own understanding of Matt 24:14, the end will not come until the gospel has been preached in the whole world.
Oh! u said \'what if they DIE?\'
Well, me i feel God is just &His judgement wl b fair. His hand is not too short to save (Isa 59:1), i bliv God will find a way to reach each person\'s heart. Haven\'t we heard of people (including chronic faithfuls of other religions) God personally appeared to who frantically sought God &gave their lives to Christ afta d encounter??

Evn Rom 1:20 in AMP version says \"For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification]\"

There are, in fact, many instances in Scripture where God reached His hand across boundaries that would otherwise prohibit a person to being exposed to the Gospel, simply because that person did have a ready-heart. They had responded to all of the Light that God had given them thus far, and the Lord was willing to give them more. God sent the Roman Centurion Cornelius to Peter to learn of Christ because he was a \'devout man who feared God\' (Acts 10:1-2). The Lord sent Philip to the Ethiopian Treasurer because he was a man who sincerely desired to understand the Word of God and have someone explain it to him (Acts 8:30-31). God caused the Apostle Paul and Silas to spend a night in a jail in Philippi for no other reason than the fact that the jailer working there had a ready-heart to say unto them, \'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?\' (Acts 16:30). Time and space are not obstacles to God getting the Gospel through to people, the hardness of man\'s heart is. If there were a single, willing person living in the most remote section of the world who would come to Christ if only he knew of Him, we can be certain that God would move Heaven and Earth to make it happen.

Finally, i wd like to say, it is not for me to categorically say \'it is this way or that way\', i can only speculate as human. Only God has His marking scheme with him, lollll. Bt still, i trust in the loving &fair nature of God to be just in His judgement. I JUDGE HIM FAITHFUL #shikena. lol ...

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Comment by destinedtee

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I agree with my Oga @ d top...shikena... ...

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Comment by T-Ralph

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Thanks for that oluwamary. I really like the Scriptural approach and I fully agree with you. I also believe that the end will not come until the gospel has been preached in the whole
world - Matt 24:14.

Also, I believe we, humans (christain or not), shouldn't try to play the role of God in judgement. Jesus said we shouldn't judge (Matt 7:1, Lk 6:37). God is the only One who is permitted to judge man. No man can judge God and no man can judge man. Man's jurisdiction in judgement is only to judge angels and the world, i.e., things that pertain to life (1Cor 6:1-3).

The same Greek word (krino) used as "judge" in Matt 7:1 is also used in 1Cor6:3 but different from "diakrino" used as "judge between brethren" in 1Cor 6:5.

In summary, what I mean is that the place of eternal judgement should be left to God alone to judge because that is HIS to decide. Christian's jurisdiction to pass judgement is only on angels and the world (things pertaining to life).

As for those people, God's Word cannot be broken, they will all equally have a share of the gospel before they die (Matt24:14) and if they dont, it is for God to decide, not man.

As for those who had lived in remote areas far from the Jews/Israelites before Christ came to this world, having no opportunity to know the God of Israel. Although, we still have some people in this category who still knew the God of Israel by all means eg, the Ethiopian eunuch (Act 8:26-39), Naaman - a captain in Syria (2Kings 5:1-19), etc, hence, those who dont know God may be inexcusable. The seemingly unlucky ones who didnt know the One True God by humanly justifiable reasons, well, they probably were reached out to when Jesus descended into hell (sheol) for approx 3days before resurrection. It is for God to decide, not man.

If God says all sinners should go to heaven and all saints to hell, WHO CAN QUESTION GOD? No one!
But, I believe God is just and faithful and HIS Word can never be broken (Deu 32:4, Rev 15:3, Jn 10:35).
Only those who believe in Christ will have a share of eternal peace because Christ is the only Way to the Father regardless of man's opinion (Jn 14:6).

Anyways, Christ has given us all a mandate in Matt 28:19 to preach, teach and baptise in all nations. I really think christians should focus on this so that Scripture would be fulfilled and every soul would have a good chance to be saved. That's why I personally respect those who go beyond comfort and risk their lives in order to fulfill their calling of preaching in Arabian&muslim nations, China and other socialist countries where the gospel is seriously fought against.

God alone is the judge (krites) of all (Heb 12:23). ...

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Comment by He-is-able

He-is-ableHe-is-able
thanks to all. pls let's add ds to it : Roman 2:12-15. it will expose so many tins to us. shalom. ...

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Comment by He-is-able

He-is-ableHe-is-able
I want 2 appreciate evry1 ones again, my reason 4 asking ds questn was not to judge any1, but 2 teach d word of God. If u av had d privileged 2 preach or teach some people in d world or little children, u would av come across some questions like ds of which if u tell d hearer dt only God knows, dy may not take dt 4 an answer thinking u are trying to dodge dia question.
Nevertheless, I think the book of Roman chapter 2 answer d whole question, am not judging ds set of people but let's take a study on ds, cos d bible says something abt their conscience in verse 15.
For further Studies, Rem. d bible talk abt temptation as a result of our evil desire (James 1:13-14), so when som1 yield 2 dt evil desire then it becomes sin which brings death. I know everyman has knowledge of good & evil in their conscience & ds is what d bible talked abt in Romans. D bible says if u knows how 2 do good & u do it not; to u it is a sin (James 4:17). SO TO THOSE WHO DIE & DIDN'T KNOW ABT GOD AFTER CHRIST'S DEATH & RESSURRECTION, WILL BE JUDGE BASED ON DS SCRIPTURE. Well may be some1 else can explain better in d light of Romans 2:11-15. Thanks & God bless u all. Shalom ...

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Comment by T-Ralph

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@He-is-able I understand you very well and I know the discussion isnt attempting to judge anyone but to bring clarity on the subject matter.

I think I've also come across such questions quite a number of times. But, most of the time, those who ask christians these questions tend to find a justification for their sinful act while others try to find justification in other religions (eg, they conclude that if one is born in another religion, one's upbringing influences his beliefs, hence, the person ends up thinking that is the only right way). While on the other hand, some people ask with a sincere heart to truly know how God's Grace extends to such people also.

I also grab the point of view of conscience as expressed in Rom 2:11-15. But, I think Paul used that part in introducing the concept of Grace vs law to the church. Nonetheless, conscience MAY still be a yardstick that God may use in judging such people. And like I said, we can only propose and think about it, but the definite answer is still left for God to decide how to judge... lol.

*quite interesting discussion* ...

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Comment by oluwamary

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Hehehehe T-ralph abeg no bring dt one...'If God says all sinners should go to heaven and all saints to hell' ke???? Rara oooo, e ma gbe yen wa o. My mansion 4heaven nko &oda tns m lookn 4ward to nko?? #Singn "This earth is not my own..." as i jump&pass. lollllll #jst joking

@He-is-able, Yhhhh i understnd u jare, sm vry inquisitive ppl esp children ask such questns &its gd we farabale trash it out here amongst ourselvs.

To d issue on ground, Even 1Cor 4:4 faults the conscience as a yardstick for good or bad. It says in GNB dt "My conscience is clear, but that does not prove that I am really innocent. The Lord is the one who passes judgment on me." V observed over time that our conscience is simply a feedback of what we've fed it. over time. ...

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Comment by Michael

MichaelMichael
cool.
But, about those who heard the gospel according to the law and not grace. What is up for them? ...

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Comment by Michael

MichaelMichael
cool.
But, about those who heard the gospel according to the law and not grace. What is up for them? ...

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Comment by T-Ralph

T-RalphT-Ralph
@Michael
If I understand you well, I suppose you mean those who lived before Christ came, esp the Israelites. I believed they were judged according to the standard available then, i.e., the law.

But, if you mean those who teach/preach/hear the gospel outside the concept of Grace.

Well, I will say there is only one law. It is simply 'law'. And there is only one gospel - 'The Gospel of Grace' a.k.a 'Gospel of Christ'. There is no such thing as 'gospel according to the law'. I think that would be fallacy. The law was given by Moses but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ (Jn 1:17). The law and the Gospel of Grace are two different things.

The Gospel is the 'Good News' about the love of God expressed through Jesus Christ.
Paul and the other apostles warned about preachers who preach other gospels (Gal 1:6-9).

Hence, for those who hear and follow the law although they are under Grace, they will receive the reward of the law. The book of Hebrews chapters 8-10 explains it clearly because it was addressed to Jew christians who had problems adjusting from the jewish customs and beliefs into full Gospel of Christ by Faith through Grace and not through works/animal sacrifice. ...

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Comment by Michael

MichaelMichael
#. Do you mean those who still follow the law will be faced by its consequences? ...

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Comment by T-Ralph

T-RalphT-Ralph
Of course, there are people today who belief that Jesus (the Messiah) hasn't come yet and they await him. They are referred to today as the Jews/Jewish religion. They still offer bulls and rams for sacrifices and kill goats and animals for sin offerings. They belief and practice the old testament.

According to Hebrews, they will still have their reward because the law has its rewards anyways (Heb 8:6). However, they dont know that the old covenant wasnt perfect that's why God had to send/make the new covenant (Heb 8:7), i.e., the better covenant which can sanctify once for all (Heb 10:9,19) unlike animal sacrifice which is repeatedly offered (Heb 10:2,3). And this new covenant is righteousness by faith through Grace. And it has better rewards.

The book of Hebrews clearly explains all these esp chapters 8-10.

Part of the faults/imperfections of the law/old covenant is that it can not make man perfect before God. It is even referred to as the ministration of condemnation in 2Cor 3:9. This is just one flaw. There are lots of flaws in the old covenant/law and those who follow it will suffer its consequences unless they accept the ministration of righteousness/new covenant of Grace. ...

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Comment by T-Ralph

T-RalphT-Ralph
Of course, there are people today who belief that Jesus (the Messiah) hasn't come yet and they await him. They are referred to today as the Jews/Jewish religion. They still offer bulls and rams for sacrifices and kill goats and animals for sin offerings. They belief and practice the old testament.

According to Hebrews, they will still have their reward because the law has its rewards anyways (Heb 8:6). However, they dont know that the old covenant wasnt perfect that's why God had to send/make the new covenant (Heb 8:7), i.e., the better covenant which can sanctify once for all (Heb 10:9,19) unlike animal sacrifice which is repeatedly offered (Heb 10:2,3). And this new covenant is righteousness by faith through Grace. And it has better rewards.

The book of Hebrews clearly explains all these esp chapters 8-10.

Part of the faults/imperfections of the law/old covenant is that it can not make man perfect before God. It is even referred to as the ministration of condemnation in 2Cor 3:9. This is just one flaw. There are lots of flaws in the old covenant/law and those who follow it will suffer its consequences unless they accept the ministration of righteousness/new covenant of Grace. ...

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Comment by Michael

MichaelMichael
Okay.
Cool
Thanks.
Praise to the Lord ...